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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Jul 5, 2010 11:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Sorry for my rash response. It came on the end of a very long night and I really should have posted when I was in a clearer state of mind. I do agree with most everything you and Longnstrange said here but what caused my reaction was this statement in particular:

And all of us have got to stop barbaric Islam from establishing a medieval caliphate

How do we do that? I wrongly assumed you were going along with the current methodology (war on terror) to prevent this from happening. I'd love to hear your alternatives...?

Having the crazy church people in power is not something I fancy AT ALL, but I see consumerism and capitalism as a religion in and of itself. A religion that brings strife upon so many economically oppressed peoples around the world, the Arab world notwithstanding.

So yes, while I fear an extremist, aggressive, unified Caliphate in the Middle East, I am at a loss for a prevention method that would not fuel the very fire that feeds the hatred of the West and consequential unification of Muslims around this hatred.

Hope that clarifies.. I don't mean to start an argument... just seeking clarity in communication.

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Poster: roughyed Date: Jul 5, 2010 2:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

Thanks for your response dp - as an owd commie I couldn't agree more with your analysis of capitalism/consumerism as a religion.
As for islam, to be honest I don't have an answer. But it bloody frightens me. I look at what it's doing to my own town. If you've read any of my previous posts you'll know my (not very high) opinion of Oldham, UK. But now we've got "honour killings"; stamping 14 year-old epileptics to death to "drive out the devil"; forced marriages; forced burqa wearing; and total lack of women's rights...
I understand the problems capitalism has caused in the middle east, but islam certainly isn't the answer.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Jul 5, 2010 3:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday U. S

It's a bummer to hear about all that very disconcerting stuff happening in your neck of the woods.

It's even more of a bummer that this is the image that most of the Western world has of Islam.

I am no expert and have no personal experience, but from speaking with friends who come from Arabic/Muslim backgrounds, it is pretty clear that Islam has undergone many perversions that have taken the original spirit out of the religion, perhaps to the same degree that this has occurred with Christianity.

Just like the Christian Nazis in America, the Arabs have their own religious extremists... and its these extremists in every sphere of influence: religion, business, politics, etc. that bring small-mindedness which brings misunderstanding and hatred and violence and pain.